I would be very concerned with anyone but the utmost perfectionist builders that a leak could develop in an area below the pool. i have oklahoma flagstone for my coping and it was sealed when we started up. It doesn't look noticeable in the pictures. To the best of our knowledge, salt water systems dont have any adverse reactions with the gelcoat surface of a fiberglass pool. I suspect over time rain does more damage to concrete than pool water level chlorine concentration ever will, I know my outdoor concrete that was poured at the same time my indoor pool was (built in 1980) shows much more deterioration than the concrete decking around the pool does. ", "I just want to start off saying how impressed I am with this company. We needed new pool lights and other types of pool repairs. I have bitteroot flagstone, we have a solid ring around (1 inch widee) the hot tub (that overflows into pool) and we get rings at different water levels when the rain comes bc we didn't put anutomatic drain in (since it was against code) but I wish we had. Besides sealing the stone, it is also advisable and an added precaution to hose down the coping at the end of any swim day with fresh water. ", "Ryan Wagoner with Blue Science has gone above and beyond to make our pool look great! Remember thata saltwater poolisa chlorine pool. There have been absolutely no problems with any of the stone. The size of this molecule cannot fit between the clay particles. schechter I'm in LA and have a similar rock disintegrating prob. With a salt system your skin will absorb sodium, salt, AND chlorine, versus just the halogen with a chemical sanitizer such as chlorine or bromine. steps from your back door is truly a splendid thing. Theyre super durable and low-maintenancenot to mention pretty! It will take longer than full concentration but eventually can cause damage. It seems that honed and unfilled may also work but probably a bit more slippery than brushed?
I still love the flagstone look but I definitely think I was misled on which flagstone will work well with a salt pool. Are Salt Water Systems Bad for Concrete Pools? All year round, River Pools manufactures and installs fiberglass pools in Virginia and Maryland. In my opinion chlorine is much more damaging to pool liners, pipes, decks, sidewalks ext. You might want to start a brand new thread with this question instead of tacking on to a 5 year old thread. I also have only seen photo's on websites that sell alternatives hmmmmmm. To the best of our knowledge, salt water systems. As an extreme example, while very porous, talc, the softest measure on the hardness scape, isn't soluble in water but will erode rather quickly due to being bumped and scraped. Did your pool builder tell you they are installing a sacrificial anode to minimize the damaging effects of increased galvanic activity in the water due to the conductive salt? They are all fine after 10+ years of salt water. The contractors are mostly in Arizona and Texas. Here is an opinion from Sean Assam who points to what he thinks are low grade materials from stone quarries in Arizona and Texas: My name is Sean Assam, with Aqua Cal AutoPilot Inc. Ive been in the industry for 20 years and have been exposed to almost every facet of the pool industry. There won't be "leakage" just very slight getting wet at the surface (you might notice a change in color when the stone gets wet.). SECRET #5 Salt systems are more harmful to human health than conventional chlorine, bromine or bioguanide chemicals. Otherwise, the salt will dry and start to etch the coping. What indicates that salt caused the damage and not that the damage would have occurred anyway? This year it's down to about 70%. Also, our weekly pool guy is performing A+ also. Become a Dealer or Franchise On the plus side, you will not have to do that again in the near future. That is my question too. The difference is inhowyou put the chlorine in the water. Concrete has its own set of issues, but lets think about those salt stains and etches for a moment. How much will salt shorten the lifespan of a concrete pools surface? The different colors of flagstone come from the different minerals within the rock. Sorry, all I have is flagstone that is undamaged by my saltwater pool.
Salt + water + concrete. It will be seen more and will better attention. Installation of our fiberglass pools is done through an independent dealer. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Most visitors online was 3404 , on Jan 24 2020, Considering a salt system in Austin, Texas, Need advice on how much water to remove for salt ppm, With over 300,000 members, TFP is the largest and most influential pool & spa website on the Internet. It is being practiced by thousands of pool owners just like you.
I agree that different compositions of flagstone wear differently, I have several different types also. Doheny sells discounted clearance and return models. Because of this I am a fan of an ozonator and a mineral pack to go virtually chlorine free. Quartzite is so hard and dense you probably couldn't seal it if you wanted to! "River Pools" is a service mark of River Pools and Spas, Inc. and River Pools Fiberglass, LLC.
We have an automated system. Terms & Conditions We want to help you make the most of your pool! Flagstone is a very general term. The salt water will corrode the anchors overtime and a "safety event" will be pending. The salt doesnt really affect the liner of the pool. You still have to test the water or take it to get tested for stuff like pH. While the "Ban the Brine" movement may have not picked up much steam in recent years, individual counties banning chloride discharge such as Livingston County, Michigan or specific bans on salt water chlorine generators in Los Angeles County, California have gotten regional attention. Im sure if there were real issues, these major facilities would not even consider salt as an alternative to sanitizing their pools and spas. Josh, the regular Blue Science pool guy, does a consistently good and reliable job and alerted us to our equipment problems. However there are those that say damage to these items is a result of inferior materials. The Fact - When the pH and alkalinity get out of balance, the chlorine is much less effective.
They go up in price from there. Most people with salt systems will run their pH from 7.8-8.0. We have a four year old pool with salt. If not cleaned for six months, four expensive things occur, (even with the unit turned off the scale still forms): It is also very important to watch the salt level in the pool. If you keep your salt at the high end of the spectrum or off the charts, it will react with the surface faster than if you keep it at the medium to low range. We also operate in other areas of the country through our nationwide dealers. And it was Kevin in fact, who found and brought him back. You must log in or register to reply here. Can you say for sure it is due to salt? Sanitation Support Services is a multifaceted company that seeks to provide solutions in cleaning, Support and Supply of cleaning equipment for our valued clients across Africa and the outside countries. Common sensethink of what salt does to a concrete sidewalk. Also, does it need to brushed in order for it not be slippery? I am curious to hear your experiences as consumers whether you have had issues with stone erosion or discoloration with a salt pool. This sidewalk featurestrip hazardsandaesthetic issues:multiple cracks, salt stains, littleholes andetching, and (bonus) a set of footprints from a small dog. additional question to all the pool builders in regards to salt and flagstone. A unit too small will mean algae problems later on if you don't run it for longer periods each day or add extra chlorine on a regular basis.
Hope it helps you. S, and wear away at the metal. I should add that weathering, be it from freeze/thaw, temperature changes, etc on stone has a far greater effect than absorption/evaporation deposits. up to 5 times more abrasive on plaster than traditional chlorine water. Most autocover manufacturers now void their track warranty if a salt system is used. Blue Science will work hand in hand with you to design a one-of-a-kind dream pool which I have seen pools where the saltwater has damaged stamped concrete, natural stones, and coping. Salt gradually wears away at the cementitious finish. There is a wide range of prices. The same thing - albeit on a smaller scale - is what is happening to those that may experience damage.). We have Oklahoma flagstone and several pieces show terrible spalling from the chlorine pool. No sealing of any kind has ever been done. I started an 'Ideabook' for pools surrounds that I like. Its certainly fair to point out that appropriate natural materials should be used. Did you have the stone sealed?
Im not sure what may be causing the coping or deck damage, but in my opinion, these problems are regional and most likely have to do with the quality of the deck material (limestone quarry) and cement mixture. We have exactly the same concern as we really want a salt water pool but have heard and read different opinions on the effects salt water will have on a nice stone deck (e.g. The stones were not sealed. Salt + water + concrete. They both use chlorine to keep the pool clean.
See how that might be an issue? The cell housing breaks when you attempt to clean it. SECRET #2 Salt water systems require chemicals almost every week. Do any pool contractors have any advice on how to solve this problem? Big ol caveat: too much chlorine or saltin ANY pool will damage the pool and equipment. We've all heard that the Texas poolbuilders are recommending against SWGs because of possible damage to stone around the pool. Find it very relaxing and soothing. I myself live on an ominous back roadno sidewalk or concrete, just loose gravel and abandoned houses. When the salt was in the water, it was dissolved into Na and Cl. Get in touch with us, and well be happy to help you on your pool journey! One big factor is the level of salt that the pool owner maintains. Wood, stone and concrete make these hot tubs fit right in with nature, Our July gardening guides take the guesswork out of summer watering, pruning and planting. But when the water leaves/evaporates, then the Na and Cl will recombine to make salt again - which is a larger molecule. If youd like to learn more about the different types of pools, Comparing Fiberglass, Concrete, and Vinyl Liner Pools in the Modern Age. It's worst with plaster but a little better with aggregate. I don't think salt has a lot to do with that. Have you resealed it since the initial application? We're going to assume youre taking care of your pool and watching your water chemistry. If the cell does not make it through the third year, salt becomes the most expensive system in terms of operating cost. The sodium and chloride ions that are formed are larger than a salt molecule. What might be more useful is a chart of known durables. Not in the sense that there are thousands of concrete pools failing across the country. Any other experiences out there? We make sure that your enviroment is the clean comfortable background to the rest of your life.We also deal in sales of cleaning equipment, machines, tools, chemical and materials all over the regions in Ghana. The pure salt is corrosive and is the main cause of the corroding coping. Any new postings here are unlikely to be seen or responded to by other members. I have never knowingly seen damaged coping or stone work attributable to any deposits left from evaporation in salted pools. Prior to AutoPilot purchasing this company from The Olin Corporation, we were a distributor of the Lectranator salt system. Tile is similar. Pool builders have said that they have had to replace a significant amount of both these types of coping this past year. A true example of customer experience excellence and committment - not only in standard duties, but going the extra mile where and when needed. SWG's have been the rage for the past 10 to 12 years but are now seeming to fall out of favor with the buyers.For the past decade 95%+ of my new starts have been salt. Whew. Have been very happy. With a salt water pool, the owner MUST maintain a proper pH or the pool will scale, stain brown and destroy the cell. Kevin did a stellar job, not only alerting us of the situation, but he stayed with us for nearly 30mins, looking for our dog. to that mix. I've built at least 1000 pools with salt water chlorine generation.Here's been my experiences;Kiln fire swimming pool coping bricks do fine and so do their pavers that match.Harder/denser stones such as Oklahome Wister, Tennessee Crab orchard, Pennsylvania Lilac, Quartzite, etc do OK.Softer rocks like Arizona Rosa, Buff, Peach, Sedona Red etc don't do well at all, this also goes for Mexican Travertine coping bricks such as Noche, Durango, etc.Turkish Travertine does better than Mexican Travertine.I suggest sealing soft rocks and travertine.Slate coping bricks fall right in the middle, they're a coin toss.Don't use any unsealed flagstone for waterline tile, they'll show poorly within a year or two.When placed as patio decking dark flagstone, home bricks, and concrete patio pavers show chalkiness from evaporated salt due to splash out. For example some flagstones have a higher amount of sand while others have more clay. Poured in place concrete is slightly porous and so are most brick pavers, yet they will last and last. Unless you spilled acid this would not happen by spilling. | We have a 4 years old salt water pool with quartzite coping, flagstone lower deck and travertine upper deck. pooldv, post up pictures of your walk way flag too that is no where near the water. The conclusion I'm coming to here is, although there are many theories why this may or may not be true, out of a body of several thousand pool owners there is no existence evidence that this problem actually happens Sorta like aliens. We have wide a network of offices in all major locations to help you with the services we offer, With the help of our worldwide partners we provide you with all sanitation and cleaning needs. It discusses cost, design, durability, installation basically any aspect youll want to compare if you make a big pool decision. Copyright 2022 ECOsmarte Planet Friendly Inc. All Rights Reserved. Chlorinating with a salt water chlorinator is similar to chlorinating with liquid chlorine-- they both have a high pH (11.7). JavaScript is disabled. More waystoshop: Call: (612) 866-1200, or. With greenery, it reminds me more of a natural water area than something that is too busy. I will start a new thread, Here is the link to my recent posting regarding salt water pools and disintegrating rocks: http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/3413466/m=23/need-help-salt-sys-pool-is-disintegrating-decorative-boulders, Houzz Pro: One simple solution for contractors and design pros. It'll stayextra easy to manage just like its easier to do one load of laundry a week rather than letting it pile up for a month and doing four loads in one day. I am talking about chlorine pool levels over time on concrete. I cant speak for areas outside of Texas at this point but Ive definitely seen corrosion damage here. Give us a call today. Over time the salt will attack any area the water evaporates at. As I say when guiding my friends through online dating: we need more data. The liner will eventually leak and corrode the metal panels, which is the structural support of the pool.
in Virginia and Maryland. Become a Dealer or Franchise Dont do it. Any customer that wants either coping for a salt water rock or gunnite pool must usually sign a release form. It was nice to know that he was on top of things for us. But honestly, theres no such thing. Sanitation Support Services has been structured to be more proactive and client sensitive.
Your home swimming pool can be anything you want it to be. Not that Ive ever done that, of course. |, Search Some of the flagstone in my coping has lost a few layers from flaking but I don't have any reason to think that salt caused it. Water in a concrete pool wears at the plaster all day every day. Also replace the ledger pieces that are deteriorating, and then seal.
Note that zero maintenance is not on that list. The Facts - The salt itself has issues of attacking the cement in the plaster and deck materials. The difference is in, So just like with a regular chlorine pool, you have to, of the spectrum or off the charts, it will react with the surface. Before you buy a device and throw 500 to 700 lbs of salt in your pool, remember an old term - "Salting the Earth", 2000 years ago mankind knew better. Since we purchased the company in 1992, weve sold over 100,000 units nationally, and another 50,000 units internationally. In regards to the in-floor cleaner system, this is about a $10,000 addition in my area, and requires a few hundred feet of pipe buried in the floor of the pool. Some can be hard and durable while others can be in porous and others flaky. Might leave a little sodium, but I doubt it. A pool can be everything from
You can also check out all our blog articles about maintenance for any other issues you may encounter. It's effect isn't that significant. Thank you! Work is complete and we are up and running again. The reason is simple: TFPC (Trouble Free Pool Care) is a methodology, not a product that you must purchase. This is a relatively slow process when the salt levels are low. This must be carried out before the calcium build up within the cell housing becomes one big block. The water (with dissolved salt) flows inbetween the clay particles.remember were talking microscopic here. It sounds like a sealed travertine could work but quartzite would be better. Consumers should verify specifications with the installing dealer Sodium absorption through the skin has long been known to present health risks at levels far below the 3000-5000 ppm levels salt chlorine generators require. Nick had Clayton assigned to the repair and he was on it quickly. If this were a salt issue, the problems would be of national scale. The deck anchors are usually cast aluminum and the ladder should be stainless steel. I will agree to disagree chlorine over time can damage concrete. The pool becomes a swamp when the cell scales up.
Or you could create a dragons lair, a mosaic gallery, a party in a jungle Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Outdoor Lighting & Audio/Visual Specialists, http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/3413466/m=23/need-help-salt-sys-pool-is-disintegrating-decorative-boulders, My Houzz: Modern and Moody Nostalgia in Salt Lake City, The Cure for Houzz Envy: Kitchen Touches Anyone Can Do, 10 Tips to Start a Garden Can-Do Ideas for Beginners, Landscape Paving 101: Travertine Keeps Its Cool in Warm Climates, Enjoy Your Summer Garden Heres What to Do in July, What to Do for Mom Around the House on Mothers Day, 10 Things Decorators Want You to Know About What They Do, 13 Extra-Cool Things to Do With a Backyard. (Obviously this area needs a little cleaning.) See our tips for your U.S. region, Show appreciation for your mother and make her day extra special with these ideas, They do more than pick pretty colors. Some pool builders are now refusing to build any salt water pools with cream limestone or taupe coping. I would definitely ask the pool company to show you how to check salt levels etc. Iron is a metal, as is sodium and as such, is soluble in water. new house comes with salt water. My most degraded piece of flagstone is in a path away from the pool with no salt water exposure at all. Don't do it, my friend. (This is the reason places with high clay in their soil - like Houston - have ground water pipes burst - because of the natural swelling/contraction during temperature/water changes in the soil. The obvious weekly use of muriatic acid is combined with the not so obvious need to use cyanuric acid to guarantee your salt chlorine generator can achieve 1-3 ppm chlorine residual in your pool. The high amperage output of the cell will add between 500 to 1000 watts per day or 1.0 KW to 1.5 KW to your electric demand and monthly bill, at .11 per watt, this is $5 to $11 every month. If the sodium hypochlorite levels are too high, the corrosion is caused by the chlorine being produced by the electrolytic cell. After months, I have a total of one picture posted. specification. He made it seem easy. any tips for a first pool owner? than if you keep it at the medium to low range. The unfortunate reality is that most salt pool owners neglect their pool by allowing their chlorine levels to get too high. I live in Los Angeles. I was the Technical Support Manager and R & D director for the last 5 years at AutoPilot. The chlorine level and skin absorption of the chlorine is still based on the same 1-3 ppm chlorine residuals found, dioxin forms (as do chloramines) and the backwash water contains 3000 ppm or more chlorides. But does it shorten the lifespan of the pool finish? The grout was just installed today a. Lack of pH management can ruin the cell in less than 90 days, scaling up the swimming pool as well as the cell. When providing pool repairs and equipment installations in Dallas, we use only supplies and parts from top pool companies. But it branches off the main street, which is paved and has a sidewalk. You are using an out of date browser. "Hi all, simply a 5*, a thank you and a strong recommendation. And I would highly recommend this company for its great customer service. Currently I do the Commercial sales and support for Aqua Cal (Heat Pumps) and AutoPilot. travertine).
I myself live on an ominous back roadno sidewalk or concrete, just loose gravel and abandoned houses. We are a registered 501(c)3 non-profit that is funded by user donations. If youd like to learn more about the different types of pools, check out our comprehensive ebook "Comparing Fiberglass, Concrete, and Vinyl Liner Pools in the Modern Age. It discusses cost, design, durability, installation basically any aspect youll want to compare if you make a big pool decision. I agree with one of the comments..I think you may have haters in your friend group. But honestly, theres, Not having to lug around giant buckets of chlorine, They both use chlorine to keep the pool clean. Tile in pool bath doesnt match - how do I convince my tile contractor? It is sometimes a little slippery (mostly to toddlers) when very wet.
And while the materials they use there are similar to materials used nationally. Well done Kevin B.
Assuming the owner gets to the fourth year with the cell, salt can be one of the most expensive methods to sanitize the pool. Salt systems have been around in the US since 1984, even longer in Australia (1960s). Some natural materials are inappropriate to use with any pool and others should probably be protected with a sealer. The wall panels can. See how that might be an issue? It is recommended that you try to keep the salt level at the higher end of the manufacturer's scale, for your specific model.
I still love the flagstone look but I definitely think I was misled on which flagstone will work well with a salt pool. Are Salt Water Systems Bad for Concrete Pools? All year round, River Pools manufactures and installs fiberglass pools in Virginia and Maryland. In my opinion chlorine is much more damaging to pool liners, pipes, decks, sidewalks ext. You might want to start a brand new thread with this question instead of tacking on to a 5 year old thread. I also have only seen photo's on websites that sell alternatives hmmmmmm. To the best of our knowledge, salt water systems. As an extreme example, while very porous, talc, the softest measure on the hardness scape, isn't soluble in water but will erode rather quickly due to being bumped and scraped. Did your pool builder tell you they are installing a sacrificial anode to minimize the damaging effects of increased galvanic activity in the water due to the conductive salt? They are all fine after 10+ years of salt water. The contractors are mostly in Arizona and Texas. Here is an opinion from Sean Assam who points to what he thinks are low grade materials from stone quarries in Arizona and Texas: My name is Sean Assam, with Aqua Cal AutoPilot Inc. Ive been in the industry for 20 years and have been exposed to almost every facet of the pool industry. There won't be "leakage" just very slight getting wet at the surface (you might notice a change in color when the stone gets wet.). SECRET #5 Salt systems are more harmful to human health than conventional chlorine, bromine or bioguanide chemicals. Otherwise, the salt will dry and start to etch the coping. What indicates that salt caused the damage and not that the damage would have occurred anyway? This year it's down to about 70%. Also, our weekly pool guy is performing A+ also. Become a Dealer or Franchise On the plus side, you will not have to do that again in the near future. That is my question too. The difference is inhowyou put the chlorine in the water. Concrete has its own set of issues, but lets think about those salt stains and etches for a moment. How much will salt shorten the lifespan of a concrete pools surface? The different colors of flagstone come from the different minerals within the rock. Sorry, all I have is flagstone that is undamaged by my saltwater pool.
Salt + water + concrete. It will be seen more and will better attention. Installation of our fiberglass pools is done through an independent dealer. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Most visitors online was 3404 , on Jan 24 2020, Considering a salt system in Austin, Texas, Need advice on how much water to remove for salt ppm, With over 300,000 members, TFP is the largest and most influential pool & spa website on the Internet. It is being practiced by thousands of pool owners just like you.
I agree that different compositions of flagstone wear differently, I have several different types also. Doheny sells discounted clearance and return models. Because of this I am a fan of an ozonator and a mineral pack to go virtually chlorine free. Quartzite is so hard and dense you probably couldn't seal it if you wanted to! "River Pools" is a service mark of River Pools and Spas, Inc. and River Pools Fiberglass, LLC.
We have an automated system. Terms & Conditions We want to help you make the most of your pool! Flagstone is a very general term. The salt water will corrode the anchors overtime and a "safety event" will be pending. The salt doesnt really affect the liner of the pool. You still have to test the water or take it to get tested for stuff like pH. While the "Ban the Brine" movement may have not picked up much steam in recent years, individual counties banning chloride discharge such as Livingston County, Michigan or specific bans on salt water chlorine generators in Los Angeles County, California have gotten regional attention. Im sure if there were real issues, these major facilities would not even consider salt as an alternative to sanitizing their pools and spas. Josh, the regular Blue Science pool guy, does a consistently good and reliable job and alerted us to our equipment problems. However there are those that say damage to these items is a result of inferior materials. The Fact - When the pH and alkalinity get out of balance, the chlorine is much less effective.
They go up in price from there. Most people with salt systems will run their pH from 7.8-8.0. We have a four year old pool with salt. If not cleaned for six months, four expensive things occur, (even with the unit turned off the scale still forms): It is also very important to watch the salt level in the pool. If you keep your salt at the high end of the spectrum or off the charts, it will react with the surface faster than if you keep it at the medium to low range. We also operate in other areas of the country through our nationwide dealers. And it was Kevin in fact, who found and brought him back. You must log in or register to reply here. Can you say for sure it is due to salt? Sanitation Support Services is a multifaceted company that seeks to provide solutions in cleaning, Support and Supply of cleaning equipment for our valued clients across Africa and the outside countries. Common sensethink of what salt does to a concrete sidewalk. Also, does it need to brushed in order for it not be slippery? I am curious to hear your experiences as consumers whether you have had issues with stone erosion or discoloration with a salt pool. This sidewalk featurestrip hazardsandaesthetic issues:multiple cracks, salt stains, littleholes andetching, and (bonus) a set of footprints from a small dog. additional question to all the pool builders in regards to salt and flagstone. A unit too small will mean algae problems later on if you don't run it for longer periods each day or add extra chlorine on a regular basis.
Hope it helps you. S, and wear away at the metal. I should add that weathering, be it from freeze/thaw, temperature changes, etc on stone has a far greater effect than absorption/evaporation deposits. up to 5 times more abrasive on plaster than traditional chlorine water. Most autocover manufacturers now void their track warranty if a salt system is used. Blue Science will work hand in hand with you to design a one-of-a-kind dream pool which I have seen pools where the saltwater has damaged stamped concrete, natural stones, and coping. Salt gradually wears away at the cementitious finish. There is a wide range of prices. The same thing - albeit on a smaller scale - is what is happening to those that may experience damage.). We have Oklahoma flagstone and several pieces show terrible spalling from the chlorine pool. No sealing of any kind has ever been done. I started an 'Ideabook' for pools surrounds that I like. Its certainly fair to point out that appropriate natural materials should be used. Did you have the stone sealed?
Im not sure what may be causing the coping or deck damage, but in my opinion, these problems are regional and most likely have to do with the quality of the deck material (limestone quarry) and cement mixture. We have exactly the same concern as we really want a salt water pool but have heard and read different opinions on the effects salt water will have on a nice stone deck (e.g. The stones were not sealed. Salt + water + concrete. They both use chlorine to keep the pool clean.
See how that might be an issue? The cell housing breaks when you attempt to clean it. SECRET #2 Salt water systems require chemicals almost every week. Do any pool contractors have any advice on how to solve this problem? Big ol caveat: too much chlorine or saltin ANY pool will damage the pool and equipment. We've all heard that the Texas poolbuilders are recommending against SWGs because of possible damage to stone around the pool. Find it very relaxing and soothing. I myself live on an ominous back roadno sidewalk or concrete, just loose gravel and abandoned houses. When the salt was in the water, it was dissolved into Na and Cl. Get in touch with us, and well be happy to help you on your pool journey! One big factor is the level of salt that the pool owner maintains. Wood, stone and concrete make these hot tubs fit right in with nature, Our July gardening guides take the guesswork out of summer watering, pruning and planting. But when the water leaves/evaporates, then the Na and Cl will recombine to make salt again - which is a larger molecule. If youd like to learn more about the different types of pools, Comparing Fiberglass, Concrete, and Vinyl Liner Pools in the Modern Age. It's worst with plaster but a little better with aggregate. I don't think salt has a lot to do with that. Have you resealed it since the initial application? We're going to assume youre taking care of your pool and watching your water chemistry. If the cell does not make it through the third year, salt becomes the most expensive system in terms of operating cost. The sodium and chloride ions that are formed are larger than a salt molecule. What might be more useful is a chart of known durables. Not in the sense that there are thousands of concrete pools failing across the country. Any other experiences out there? We make sure that your enviroment is the clean comfortable background to the rest of your life.We also deal in sales of cleaning equipment, machines, tools, chemical and materials all over the regions in Ghana. The pure salt is corrosive and is the main cause of the corroding coping. Any new postings here are unlikely to be seen or responded to by other members. I have never knowingly seen damaged coping or stone work attributable to any deposits left from evaporation in salted pools. Prior to AutoPilot purchasing this company from The Olin Corporation, we were a distributor of the Lectranator salt system. Tile is similar. Pool builders have said that they have had to replace a significant amount of both these types of coping this past year. A true example of customer experience excellence and committment - not only in standard duties, but going the extra mile where and when needed. SWG's have been the rage for the past 10 to 12 years but are now seeming to fall out of favor with the buyers.For the past decade 95%+ of my new starts have been salt. Whew. Have been very happy. With a salt water pool, the owner MUST maintain a proper pH or the pool will scale, stain brown and destroy the cell. Kevin did a stellar job, not only alerting us of the situation, but he stayed with us for nearly 30mins, looking for our dog. to that mix. I've built at least 1000 pools with salt water chlorine generation.Here's been my experiences;Kiln fire swimming pool coping bricks do fine and so do their pavers that match.Harder/denser stones such as Oklahome Wister, Tennessee Crab orchard, Pennsylvania Lilac, Quartzite, etc do OK.Softer rocks like Arizona Rosa, Buff, Peach, Sedona Red etc don't do well at all, this also goes for Mexican Travertine coping bricks such as Noche, Durango, etc.Turkish Travertine does better than Mexican Travertine.I suggest sealing soft rocks and travertine.Slate coping bricks fall right in the middle, they're a coin toss.Don't use any unsealed flagstone for waterline tile, they'll show poorly within a year or two.When placed as patio decking dark flagstone, home bricks, and concrete patio pavers show chalkiness from evaporated salt due to splash out. For example some flagstones have a higher amount of sand while others have more clay. Poured in place concrete is slightly porous and so are most brick pavers, yet they will last and last. Unless you spilled acid this would not happen by spilling. | We have a 4 years old salt water pool with quartzite coping, flagstone lower deck and travertine upper deck. pooldv, post up pictures of your walk way flag too that is no where near the water. The conclusion I'm coming to here is, although there are many theories why this may or may not be true, out of a body of several thousand pool owners there is no existence evidence that this problem actually happens Sorta like aliens. We have wide a network of offices in all major locations to help you with the services we offer, With the help of our worldwide partners we provide you with all sanitation and cleaning needs. It discusses cost, design, durability, installation basically any aspect youll want to compare if you make a big pool decision. Copyright 2022 ECOsmarte Planet Friendly Inc. All Rights Reserved. Chlorinating with a salt water chlorinator is similar to chlorinating with liquid chlorine-- they both have a high pH (11.7). JavaScript is disabled. More waystoshop: Call: (612) 866-1200, or. With greenery, it reminds me more of a natural water area than something that is too busy. I will start a new thread, Here is the link to my recent posting regarding salt water pools and disintegrating rocks: http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/3413466/m=23/need-help-salt-sys-pool-is-disintegrating-decorative-boulders, Houzz Pro: One simple solution for contractors and design pros. It'll stayextra easy to manage just like its easier to do one load of laundry a week rather than letting it pile up for a month and doing four loads in one day. I am talking about chlorine pool levels over time on concrete. I cant speak for areas outside of Texas at this point but Ive definitely seen corrosion damage here. Give us a call today. Over time the salt will attack any area the water evaporates at. As I say when guiding my friends through online dating: we need more data. The liner will eventually leak and corrode the metal panels, which is the structural support of the pool.
in Virginia and Maryland. Become a Dealer or Franchise Dont do it. Any customer that wants either coping for a salt water rock or gunnite pool must usually sign a release form. It was nice to know that he was on top of things for us. But honestly, theres no such thing. Sanitation Support Services has been structured to be more proactive and client sensitive.
Your home swimming pool can be anything you want it to be. Not that Ive ever done that, of course. |, Search Some of the flagstone in my coping has lost a few layers from flaking but I don't have any reason to think that salt caused it. Water in a concrete pool wears at the plaster all day every day. Also replace the ledger pieces that are deteriorating, and then seal.
Note that zero maintenance is not on that list. The Facts - The salt itself has issues of attacking the cement in the plaster and deck materials. The difference is in, So just like with a regular chlorine pool, you have to, of the spectrum or off the charts, it will react with the surface. Before you buy a device and throw 500 to 700 lbs of salt in your pool, remember an old term - "Salting the Earth", 2000 years ago mankind knew better. Since we purchased the company in 1992, weve sold over 100,000 units nationally, and another 50,000 units internationally. In regards to the in-floor cleaner system, this is about a $10,000 addition in my area, and requires a few hundred feet of pipe buried in the floor of the pool. Some can be hard and durable while others can be in porous and others flaky. Might leave a little sodium, but I doubt it. A pool can be everything from
You can also check out all our blog articles about maintenance for any other issues you may encounter. It's effect isn't that significant. Thank you! Work is complete and we are up and running again. The reason is simple: TFPC (Trouble Free Pool Care) is a methodology, not a product that you must purchase. This is a relatively slow process when the salt levels are low. This must be carried out before the calcium build up within the cell housing becomes one big block. The water (with dissolved salt) flows inbetween the clay particles.remember were talking microscopic here. It sounds like a sealed travertine could work but quartzite would be better. Consumers should verify specifications with the installing dealer Sodium absorption through the skin has long been known to present health risks at levels far below the 3000-5000 ppm levels salt chlorine generators require. Nick had Clayton assigned to the repair and he was on it quickly. If this were a salt issue, the problems would be of national scale. The deck anchors are usually cast aluminum and the ladder should be stainless steel. I will agree to disagree chlorine over time can damage concrete. The pool becomes a swamp when the cell scales up.
Or you could create a dragons lair, a mosaic gallery, a party in a jungle Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Outdoor Lighting & Audio/Visual Specialists, http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/3413466/m=23/need-help-salt-sys-pool-is-disintegrating-decorative-boulders, My Houzz: Modern and Moody Nostalgia in Salt Lake City, The Cure for Houzz Envy: Kitchen Touches Anyone Can Do, 10 Tips to Start a Garden Can-Do Ideas for Beginners, Landscape Paving 101: Travertine Keeps Its Cool in Warm Climates, Enjoy Your Summer Garden Heres What to Do in July, What to Do for Mom Around the House on Mothers Day, 10 Things Decorators Want You to Know About What They Do, 13 Extra-Cool Things to Do With a Backyard. (Obviously this area needs a little cleaning.) See our tips for your U.S. region, Show appreciation for your mother and make her day extra special with these ideas, They do more than pick pretty colors. Some pool builders are now refusing to build any salt water pools with cream limestone or taupe coping. I would definitely ask the pool company to show you how to check salt levels etc. Iron is a metal, as is sodium and as such, is soluble in water. new house comes with salt water. My most degraded piece of flagstone is in a path away from the pool with no salt water exposure at all. Don't do it, my friend. (This is the reason places with high clay in their soil - like Houston - have ground water pipes burst - because of the natural swelling/contraction during temperature/water changes in the soil. The obvious weekly use of muriatic acid is combined with the not so obvious need to use cyanuric acid to guarantee your salt chlorine generator can achieve 1-3 ppm chlorine residual in your pool. The high amperage output of the cell will add between 500 to 1000 watts per day or 1.0 KW to 1.5 KW to your electric demand and monthly bill, at .11 per watt, this is $5 to $11 every month. If the sodium hypochlorite levels are too high, the corrosion is caused by the chlorine being produced by the electrolytic cell. After months, I have a total of one picture posted. specification. He made it seem easy. any tips for a first pool owner? than if you keep it at the medium to low range. The unfortunate reality is that most salt pool owners neglect their pool by allowing their chlorine levels to get too high. I live in Los Angeles. I was the Technical Support Manager and R & D director for the last 5 years at AutoPilot. The chlorine level and skin absorption of the chlorine is still based on the same 1-3 ppm chlorine residuals found, dioxin forms (as do chloramines) and the backwash water contains 3000 ppm or more chlorides. But does it shorten the lifespan of the pool finish? The grout was just installed today a. Lack of pH management can ruin the cell in less than 90 days, scaling up the swimming pool as well as the cell. When providing pool repairs and equipment installations in Dallas, we use only supplies and parts from top pool companies. But it branches off the main street, which is paved and has a sidewalk. You are using an out of date browser. "Hi all, simply a 5*, a thank you and a strong recommendation. And I would highly recommend this company for its great customer service. Currently I do the Commercial sales and support for Aqua Cal (Heat Pumps) and AutoPilot. travertine).
I myself live on an ominous back roadno sidewalk or concrete, just loose gravel and abandoned houses. We are a registered 501(c)3 non-profit that is funded by user donations. If youd like to learn more about the different types of pools, check out our comprehensive ebook "Comparing Fiberglass, Concrete, and Vinyl Liner Pools in the Modern Age. It discusses cost, design, durability, installation basically any aspect youll want to compare if you make a big pool decision. I agree with one of the comments..I think you may have haters in your friend group. But honestly, theres, Not having to lug around giant buckets of chlorine, They both use chlorine to keep the pool clean. Tile in pool bath doesnt match - how do I convince my tile contractor? It is sometimes a little slippery (mostly to toddlers) when very wet.
And while the materials they use there are similar to materials used nationally. Well done Kevin B.
Assuming the owner gets to the fourth year with the cell, salt can be one of the most expensive methods to sanitize the pool. Salt systems have been around in the US since 1984, even longer in Australia (1960s). Some natural materials are inappropriate to use with any pool and others should probably be protected with a sealer. The wall panels can. See how that might be an issue? It is recommended that you try to keep the salt level at the higher end of the manufacturer's scale, for your specific model.