Why not join the 240+ members who have already signed up for the best Delphi sleuthing team of all? Professor at a local university, known for the Geocaching Theory. Tony Kline is 65, 310 pounds! Get real. Im sure there are instances where its been used as an effective tactic in helping to solve crimes. Crime scene photos leaked? We sent him off to dig into Mr. X. I read 1 of them is still in grief counseling for it- so im pretty sure she doesnt wanna talk about it. Cops say teen murder victims were posed, killer took souvenirs After all, there was nothing they could have done anyway. Photo Page - Delphi Homicides. I dont get it. The killer contacted Libby on social media using the "catfish" of a young man aged 19. FBI says their bodies 'moved and staged' in Delphi murders - WBIW Thats because they havent been told shit. Calling off the search the night the girls went missing was a really, really bad choice. Allen is a married pharmaceutical technician. Distance of residence from crime scene at the time of the crime: Less than 2 miles to the east along the creek. If so, this proves that this crime was planned nearly down to the minute. Plenty of time to get numbers, etc. Also we dont know what they interrogated Ron about either. There was some sort of a large object, apparently of toy, at the crime scene that was too large for BG to have had it with him on the bridge. Granted, we dont have any evidence that this is true other than Leigh Kerrs statements. On the other hand, a sample with only nine markers is absolutely not usable in court. No longer in state. Of course they would look for that. Finally, after five long years, the Indiana State Police has charged a 50-year-old local man with the Delphi murders of two teenage best friends, Libby German and Abby Williams. There are men going down on this all the time all over the US. No one knows if Mr. X is guilty or not. This happened b/w the mid-80s to early-90s. In fact, the rumor is that LE simply does not have enough evidence against Mr. X to take the case to court. For more than five years, the families of the two girls have been searching for answers as to what happened and who was responsible for their murders. LE themselves have admitted that they have one smudged fingerprint. Robert Lindsay isnt just one guy. They are most likely related to one another, but your description of Mr. X confuses the two. You just dont know what a person is capable of. I do not know why RRB is? One of his many interesting hobbies was abducting and raping young women. He could have called his wife, who was friends with Becky Patty, and the wife could have told him about the girls going missing. He is one of the first and only witnesses in this case!!. I happen to think he probably did it, but what do I know? Possibly works with kids. Particularly this statement. Lawyered up, not talking. I have joined the group on face book #Delphi Murders. People are saying that we have a copy of the gag order that was issued on the towing of the truck at the CPS building. One problem was we went down the rabbit hole chasing the wrong guy for a couple of years. Updated: 17:37 ET, Nov 29 2022 A BULLET found near the bodies of murdered teens Libby German and Abigail Williams tied suspect Richard Allen to the horrific killings, according to new court documents. Im really worried about people bothering or harming this guy and his family. This lines up nicely with Leigh Kerrs testimony where he said that BG used binoculars in this crime. And fb, of course. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IIoxYhsduLQ, Protected: Post to Discuss All of the Various POIs and Theories in the Delphi Murders from the Crime to the Present, Protected to Avoid Libel and Character Assassination Part 10, Alt Left: This Is Almost Certainly the Single Most Inexplicable Series of Geopolitical Blunders in Recorded History, Alt Left: Add Iran to That Sino-Russian Alliance While You Are at It, NATO Helped the Ukrainians Fire All Those Drones at Russia, Including all the Way to Moscow, The Conquest of Germany and Japan Never Ended, The Conquest and Destruction of Russia Project Goes Way Back to Post World War 2, The Jewish Conspiracy To Subject Humankind. The suspected pedophile - who is heavy-set and pasty-faced - used an image of a ripped and muscular young man to trick underage girls into speaking to him. Thank you Mr. Lindsay for significant information on this terrible case. Point is that he may have never had ceased offending. On Feb. 13, 2017, 13-year-old Abigail "Abby" Williams and 14-year-old Liberty "Libby" German went to the Monon High Bridge in their home town of Delphi, Ind., while off from school for an unused snow day. Best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, lost a lot of blood during their murders with an unspecified weapon and were not killed in the same location where their bodies were discovered close to a trail where they had set off on a fun day out together just hours earlier. Known facts about the personal life of the main suspect, Mr. X.: Residence history: Unknown for first 18 years, possibly Illinois. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Thank you! The only DNA found on the girls was that of Kelsi, sister of Libby. I see T. Neighboring state. We park right at the front door. Now, that does NOT necessarily indicate staging. 3) This man is a *heavy* smoker and a functioning alcoholic. Yes, the police have told us that they now think that Bridge Guy or Mr. X did Evansdale too. LE doesnt like being lied to, especially when they are investigating a double homicide. Hes laughing b/c theyve been focused upon a completely wrong direction. 10) Regarding crime scene: Red herrings to throw off law enforcement. I find it ironic that he lived close to the Flora fires, and it wouldnt surprise me if he was linked to Evansdale as well. Would love to join the private group. Unlike any other sleuthers, we have determined the main suspects in the case, have a good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like, and have recently figured out the motive. "You have this unspent shell casing near the victims' bodies, but you also have things that are really troubling to me: [The girls] are in one place and their clothes are in another. Germans sister Kelsey tweeted early Friday: Just know how grateful I am to all of you. No comments for now, any questions please refer to the Carroll County Prosecutors Office. We dont do that on here and never have. A suspect has been arrested and charged in connection with the murders of two Indiana teens who were slain on a hiking trail near Delphi, Indiana, more than five years ago, Indiana State Police. The YouTube channel Zav Girl broke down the text messages in a video entitled "Text Messages from the Guy that found Abby and Libby? He currently resides in prison for videotaping himself having sex with a 15 year old. Theres something different about this casing, it stood out to me. The catfish had been catfishing those girls for four months. Only a deer kit looks just like that. Your email address will not be published. I guess he cant make up his mind. I do not want to see this man or his family harassed in any way. I almost feel as though LE doesnt want to solve this crime, and that scares me. And possibly even other rapes and homicides. I heard that at the 2019 conference, she burst into tears. He did commit the crime because the younger sketch is just BG in catfish form, his other younger personality that he used to snare victims. However, an interesting theory is that BG may have attempted to frame Ron Logan with this crime for obscure reasons. The photo shows Brittany Zapanta, 28 - the daughter of Richard Allen, 50, on the Manon high bridge in the woods outside Delphi, Indiana. I sorta did wonder where he was from 12 to 430ish. I actually had written a letter to law enforcement that I failed to send, of which I was reading from. Only his hands, particularly focused on his bloody, sausage-like knuckles, could be seen with a caption that read after the brawl.. The problem with this is that a searcher claims he searched the area where the girls were found the night of 2-13 and not only were the girls not there but none of the props were there either. As this continues to be an active and ongoing investigation, the Indiana State Police will continue to provide any and all resources available to assist in the prosecution of this case.". The exact content of the messages can be viewed in the video below. These idiot cops. I showed a few friends who knew nothing of the case and they didnt see anything either. Brad Holder: Brads son, Jason, was Abbys boyfriend. Is that also speculation? Yes, they would be looking for it, because if you know computers etc. R/DelphiMurders is completely useless due to their no rumors or speculation rules, which means that you can only discuss what is proven about the case, which after four years, is just about nothing. Is there a place on your site where you can pay/register? The sketch of the younger man is the catfish of the 19 year old boy used to lure in Libby from Snapchat. I think the girls met up with BG somewhere on that trail before they got onto the bridge. And Mr X was involved in a Christian teen club! LE actually believes BG was 49-50 years old when he committed the crime. So Id just as soon stop looking at him as a suspect. Theres only one parent. There appears to be no mention of the Delphi murders or any information linking Kline to the case. The shocking new details about the murders that have rocked the community of Delphi, Indiana, for more than five years came to light in a search warrant obtained by podcast The Murder Sheet and shared with The Independent. Long, 22 pages. At least two prior marriages. Im also sure that its used as a tactic to convince the public that they were completely justified in making whatever decisions they felt required justification. CM: Not even going to bother to reveal his name. Was Mr X aware of the pregnancy and the murder was to hide that fact? See below for which rumors we believe are proven and which are unverified. Neither he nor his father have been arrested over the Delphi Bridge killings. We dont know about you all, but when we go visit our friends, we generally dont park a quarter mile away and hike in. 9) He has killed before. For the first time, the warrant reveals that they were killed by some type of weapon but the word is redacted in the document. And he has an accomplice, a much younger man. A few people were claiming it was Abby leaned against a tree with her face covered in blood, claw marks on the ground, and a pool of blood a few feet away. Delphi, Indiana, police have been notoriously tight-lipped about the killings of 14-year-old Libby German and 13-year-old Abby Williams since the first news conference after the girls were found dead in February 2017. Despite mention of a gun, it's not clear if Abby or Libby died from gunshot wounds. We have 250 members in our group. I cant tell you how many searches I participated in when I was in uniform for kids this age. . Deer kit on waist with five hunting knives. The pre-trial hearing in this case is to be held in January. I have no idea either way, but its just something that has bothered me because I dont see him being brought up nearly as much as some others who have had little to no connection to this case. In other words, LE are convinced that BG filmed or videotaped his crime. His full name is Richard Matthew Allen. A girls hand wrapped around a knife which was plunged into a log that she was resting her head on. That is the exact location whereLibby German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, filmed an unidentified man approaching them on the day of their February 2017 deaths. Four people are involved at least peripherally, BG and three others. Where did he get the food and what was the food? I I heard the girls say repeatedly, Its Elementary Watson, and 2 plus 2 equals 4. How many times has he been cleared? Im not sure about their clothes, but they definitely crossed that creek all right. I ask this because another theory says they could have gone up the creek to a barn and then they should have dry clothes. We currently feel that this is the best explanation of the facts. Maybe he sent it to Libbys phone. I read most of those posts over there and of course I read any post about me. It says they are looking for photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, film, etc. The motive was sexual. Its very rare for killers to take photos or videos of their crimes. Police investigating the mysterious Delphi, Indiana, murders are looking for the person who, they said, created fake Snapchat and Instagram profiles, posed as a wealthy male model and contacted underage girls. But many questions still remain around the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14. At the very least he could have made misleading statements. Delphi Murders - Bodys Posed - LifeUnited Did he sleep? I hope he doesnt read here but I knew a Facebook group mod who was in contact with him and she felt he was either gay, an effeminate man, or a Beta, as she put it. I guess I also wonder how everyone put such and effort to look only a few hours after being missing. Come on, people. If you met me, you would laugh at them for saying that. And Im sure that the Delphi police could say the same thing. The roommate also said he suspected Mr. X of the Evansdale Murders because during the time of the Evansdale Murders, Mr. X and the roommate were both over in Evansdale being put up in hotels for months while they worked on a plant there. Kelsis DNA was the only DNA found on the bodies. But the police are having a very hard time gathering enough evidence against this man to take it to court. Theyre generally unusable. He met few if any of those girls he was talking to. If he is a poser, which is the worst of the worst, and he has a transport company, that gives him carte blanche to move around in committing more crimes of this nature in different parts of the country as he travels. What do you all think?" Makes no sense at all. Or wet sneaker. What time was RL on video eating pizza? Theyve had video and audio of the guy from the beginning and its been too long without an arrest. It was all over by 3:30. Then again, what if it wasnt? This may extend to age 15. When I was young I would take off till late evening, and it was ok. On February 13, 2017, Liberty German, age 14, and Abigail Williams, age 13, were hiking on the Delphi Historic Trail near the Monon High Bridge just east of Delphi in Carroll County, Indiana.. The others are guardians. That piece of information being leaked and generally accepted by the public doesnt do a damn thing to preserve the integrity of the investigation.. 21:06 GMT 30 Oct 2022 Please do not report this due to it discussing a rumor. My background is nowhere near close to any qualifications for this. One thing I always have to remind myself of is that LE is allowed to lie to the public. When Allen voluntarily spoke to police on Oct. 26, 2022, he said he never allowed anyone to borrow that gun, which he said he owned since 2001, the document added. One seems to be PNB and the other is RRB. Also, a copy of the police scanner is available showing that Mr. Xs wife is supposed to be coming to the site to retrieve Mr. Xs truck. Photos of Abby Williams, left, and Libby German, right, at police headquarters in Delphi, Indiana. Was Mr X aware of the pregnancy and the murder was to hide that fact? So, to end my novel, I agree with you. Train tracks and you guessed it, more fields, parallel to the gas station. This family member may maintain a different surname, by generation, but they are in fact, related! Would be interesting to know if Garett Kirts was on Ron Logans property that day. The guy that is making those videos about Mr X, and the guy by the name of Derek godsey. They all go off and do their own work. At 13 and 14 the cycles are messed up bad. He also noted that it appeared to him as if Libby German may have been personally attacked based on the extent of her injuries. I didnt remove it. Police cleared nations as a suspect. Watch on Oops, we couldn't find that track. FBI agent believed bodies 'staged' in Delphi murders | wthr.com Delphi murder investigators focus on social media profile Watch on Who is the creator behind anthony_shots' fake profile? According to Business Insider senior reporter and co-founder of The Murder Sheet podcast, ine Cain, Libby had an interaction with Kline on Instagram but thought she was interacting with the person in a photo Kline posted as himself, in an attempt to catfish young girls into sending nude photos. I tend to think its a doll. Are you serious? However, he added that it is not a day to celebrate as families of teenagers are forced to live without them. Stay tuned. A timeline establishing publicly known. . But the scanner doesnt say she came to bring the keys. I just got banned from Twitter again for no real good reason, so Im not feeling that great. Does he say where he thinks they were found, if not 50ft from the water? Only thing I can come up with if we go with the rumors is that he draped them with the sheet that had the smiley face on it perhaps? For information on these documents, see the special section below where their nature and provenance is explained. Hes bored and has nothing to do, so we recruited him to sleuth for us. Why would we do that? Hi Robert, can you tell me if FSG and/or his brother were part of the search parties on either day? Kegan Kline, 27, of Peru, Indiana, was also named as a suspect in the murders. Just thought I would draw your attention to it. But alas, he raped one lass too many, and the law closed in on him holed up in his home, which now resembled Dodge City. Affidavit gives new updates on Dephi murders The March 17, 2017, affidavit sheds lights on the crime scene. No charges have been issued against Miller in relation to the Delphi case. I appreciate the poster (killingvector) who put up the imgur pics, but I honestly couldnt make heads or tails out of them. The judge would say you dont even have enough evidence against this man to take this case to court and throw it out of court. Police officers announced about the Delphi massacre. The judicial system likes to make sure that they get it right, if only to protect the due process rights of the accused. I don't see much in these, but there is another one that def looks like a body is posed, but the jury's out. A lot of my comments have been deleted, not at my discretion. The authorities have been purposeful in not disclosing much information about the Delphi Murders. We now know a lot of things about the main suspect, including the name, age, height, weight, marital status, possible offspring, address, names of wife and children, and history of his life. They werent that close. It's a strange case. Whatever it was that caused her to react in such a way, I just hope she shared with law enforcement. There is no doubt in my mind or anyone who is in possession of an IQ higher than double digit range that Ron Logan is not the killer. Very hard to really tell anything a lot of shadows from trees and debris on ground. Richard Allen, 50, was charged with the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in Delphi, Ind., in February 2017. LE thinks he stashed his phone at the CPS building during the murders. They even try to cure effeminate gay men and let them back in the churches as long as they say theyre cured of homosexuality. FSG is at the trails every day. You will see below where we regard certain things as Proven. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Try harder. Im not sure if pregnancy can be confirmed via autopsy before 6 weeks. What do they mean hes just a decoy? It is high time this comes to fruition. So hes a murderer. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing.. He doesnt want to get uncovered revealing official case documents to the media. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. They dont risk their careers to talk to bloggers. Finally, after five long years, the Indiana State Police has charged a 50-year-old local man with the Delphi murders of two teenage best friends, Libby German and Abby Williams. We also do not know why out of all of the places to search, he happened to pick the exact location where the girls were killed. In the search warrant application parts of which are redacted the agent reveals that the murderer would have been covered in the victims blood due to the large amount of blood was lost by the victims at the crime scene. And if it was 43 seconds, it would be on Libbys phone! Kelsi has been investigated quite a bit, and she has been interviewed a few times by the FBI, including a couple of times at her school. I dont know about you, but when I go to a nearby town, I dont generally take my cellphone and throw it in a bunch of weeds for the five hours that I was gone, coming back to my home hours later to retrieve it from the weeds. Delphi Murders: 5 Years Later, Victim's Sister Clinging to Hope That What it does do, however, is make LE appear to be slightly less incompetent for calling off that search if Abby and Libby were confirmed to have been deceased before the search even started. There were definitely some perverse acts done to these girls, but I believe they were done to them after they were already dead. In an Oct. 13, 2022, interview, Allen told police he saw juvenile girls on the trails east of Freedom Bridge and said he went onto the Monon High Bridge, near where the girls were killed. Number 5 was told to JM, an excellent local sleuth, and then to us by an Indiana detective who works in Narcotics based on crime scene photos he had seen. Though there was no press conference held on the third anniversary of the murders in February of 2020, investigators said that the case was not cold.